I recently received a kind note from an F1Y who got a job offer from one of the top firms. She was excited and thanked me for helping her to achieve “perfection” in her case preparation.
I was thrilled for her and appreciate the gratitude in the spirit it was given.
In thinking about the conversation, I realized that her use of the word “perfection” didn’t sit well with me for some reason. After thinking about it for a few days, I realized why.
I prefer the concept of striving for “excellence” instead of aiming to achieve “perfection.”
Excellence is about setting a high standard for yourself and focusing on getting as good as you can possibly be. It is ultimately inward-focused.
It’s about being as excellent as YOU can be.
It’s your current ability vs. YOUR maximum potential.
The concept of perfection (at least the way I think about it) feels much more like an external standard. We are aiming to be “perfect” based on someone else’s standard. It is you vs. an impossible-to-achieve standard.
This may seem like semantics — arguing over subtle differences in words.
BUT like I’ve said on previous occasions, your words reveal your thinking, and your thinking dictates your actions. (Your thinking also determines how you feel emotionally about your actions.)
Let me give you an example.
Assume that you’re an athlete at the Olympics.
If you strive for “excellence,” break your own personal record by a HUGE amount and win a silver medal, you’re thrilled about your accomplishment.
Alternatively, let’s say you’re a “perfection”-oriented person. At the Olympics, you also break your personal record and when the competition ends, you discover you “lost gold” (a.k.a., won silver). Under these circumstances, you will feel terrible about failing to be perfect.
Key Insight (worth writing down):
The problem with striving for perfection is no matter how much you accomplish, you will (I hypothesize) NEVER be happy.
I saw a lot of this addiction to perfection at McKinsey. I also saw it a lot when I spent a decade in Silicon Valley.
In Silicon Valley, for example, you see this perfectionism play out as follows:
If you sell a company for $100 million, how do you know you didn’t just get lucky?
If you sell two companies for $100 million each, you still didn’t sell either for $1 billion.
If you are “only” a $1 billionaire, you’re not as “perfect” as being a MULTI-billionaire.
If you have a Harvard undergrad degree, you still don’t have a Harvard Law degree.
Striving for perfection is an incredibly slippery slope because no accomplishment is ever enough.
As a guy with three daughters, I’ve started paying attention to perfectionism in women.
The entire American culture of being a woman (from my perspective) is heavily perfection-based. You see it in women’s magazines.
Buy this product to look more beautiful/less blemished/attract a guy. In short, every product assumes you’re flawed, and every product promises to get you closer to perfection.
I used to be an occasional reader of Cosmo Girl magazine — before the magazine went out of business. When I told this to moms in my community, they were always puzzled and had a look of concern on their faces…. basically, as if I was some kind of freak.
But, once I explained why I read it, they just laughed.
So, why did I used to read Cosmo Girl magazine?
ANSWER:
To know thy enemy.
Whatever brainwashing society was going to inflict on my girls, I wanted to know it well so I could attempt to inoculate my girls from it.
So, what problem did I have with Cosmo Girl magazine (and by extension, Cosmo magazine for adult women)?
It’s the premise.
The premise = You are (very) flawed and that’s a problem.
I found the entire thing disgusting.
Literally, every page — every ad, every article — was laced with this presupposition. It’s one thing to put this in front of adult women who can make their own choices, it’s another thing entirely to put it in front of an impressionable 11-year-old girl.
Got pimples? We can fix that.
Don’t know how to do your hair the right way? We can fix that too.
How to get boys to pay attention to you? We can fix that too.
Unless you know what the publisher or advertiser is doing, and why they are doing it, you will (after say 10 years of reading this stuff in one’s formative years) assume you’re hopelessly flawed.
What I try to teach my kids:
Yes, you are flawed (because EVERYBODY is flawed… NOBODY is perfect) and you’re perfectly fine the way you are.
Yes, strive for excellence to see how good you can become at whatever you’re striving for, but NEVER feel bad for not being perfect.
What’s ironic is the more successful someone is, the more it seems they’re likely to suffer from addiction to perfection.
When I was at Stanford, a survey of Stanford women showed that roughly 85% of Stanford women were unhappy with their bodies.
Here were some of the most accomplished women in the world — future supreme court justices, Nobel prize winners, contributors to society, and the amount of genuine concern (and energy) about not having a perfect body really surprised me.
At McKinsey, the open secret is a lot of McKinsey people are incredibly talented AND incredibly insecure (in their lack of perfection). Many even argue that McKinsey targets the over-achieving, highly insecure — because they “need” the validation McKinsey provides.
This obviously isn’t completely true, but neither is it completely false either.
Arguably, the people with the greatest accomplishments are the MOST insecure — in part because they are close enough to perfection to see it, but never close enough to reach it.
I am not immune.
When I left McKinsey to do my first (of many) startups, my first one failed (the second one too). I kept benchmarking my career success vs. my former peers.
Geez — so and so sold his company for $300 million. I did not (and still haven’t). Then, my wife’s former college roommate sold her company for $950 million. Geez, I’m nowhere close.
In my early days as an entrepreneur, I struggled quite a lot.
I built and maintained a financial model comparing my current earnings vs. what I’d be earning if I were still at McKinsey vs. what I would be earning if I were working at McDonald’s.
(Sadly, McDonald’s won in more months than I care to admit.)
Yes, this is what ex-McKinsey people do with their spare time and insecurities… we QUANTIFY how much of a loser we feel like. Some habits, even when wallowing in self-pity, are hard to break!
Needless to say, those estimation skills came in handy… 🙂
Is striving for perfection really that bad?
YES, it is.
Let me explain why.
Perfectionism is an addiction. A perfectionist needs the “high” of achievement in order to feel good about himself.
Although addiction to achievement doesn’t seem like that big of a deal, the problem comes when the perfectionist is willing to put achievement over and above everything else in life — marriage, children, health (and for some, even the law).
The thought process of the perfectionist is to sacrifice (potentially everything) to achieve what’s “missing,” and once that has been achieved, to appreciate life at that point in time.
This is a fool’s journey.
The accomplishment addict will never stop and will never be satisfied for more than a few brief moments.
If you think management consultants, who are hyper-analytical, are immune from this, you are wrong.
Just ask Rajat Gupta — the former head of McKinsey worldwide… who is now in prison for insider trading.
Why would someone who is on the board of Goldman Sachs and P&G, who is a personal advisor to Bill Gates AND Bill Clinton engage in insider trading?
The speculation is Rajat Gupta, who has an estimated net worth of $125M, was frustrated that he wasn’t a billionaire.
Many of his (Wall Street) friends were billionaires and he thought he was just as smart (if not more so) than them… and wondered how come I’m not a billionaire yet?
Like I said earlier… any addiction, even to perfection, when taken to an extreme can be dangerous.
My key message in sharing all this is to make the following two points:
1) Success is getting what you strive for.
2) Happiness is appreciating what you got.
Never CONFUSE the two. They are INDEPENDENT.
Do you want to be successful? To be happy? or to be Both?
These are entirely distinct (but not mutually exclusive) paths.
Statistically speaking, in the United States once a person’s income reaches the country-wide median income (around $50,000 USD for Americans), their level of happiness does not increase as income increases.
Translated, once you know you will not starve to death and die, more money does not equal more happiness.
Once again, the two are SEPARATE.
Success is achieved externally. Happiness is achieved internally (through introspection).
I mention this because I wish someone had explained this to me very early in life.
While I understood this idea intellectually, I never experienced it personally until very recently.
You see over the past year or so, I’ve been working through my emotional baggage and issues with a therapist. Yes, I am terribly flawed.
Until recently, I always saw this as a problem… something never to be admitted to and in my heart of hearts to be ashamed of.
And after a year of working through the therapeutic process, I’m for the first time in my life actually okay with my flaws and “failures.”
There was a time in my life (most of it actually) where the thought of my even “admitting” that I had problems and was seeing a therapist was horrifying.
I would have feelings of shame and fear that I would lose the respect of others.
(And yes, I really hope my parents never read this article… obviously, I’m not 100% “cured” yet!)
I’ve decided to share this part of my life for two reasons.
1) It is what it is. I am what I am… and I am finally accepting this to be true and even appreciating it.
2) I wanted to share my experience with you and my other readers in the event anything I’ve said resonates with you.
I wish I’d had an emotionally healthy role model to learn from early in life. I never did. Although I’m not sure I’m 100% emotionally healthy, I am certain I’m emotionally healthier than before.
Through this introspective process, I’ve come to recognize a theme in my professional work.
I like helping the “underdog,” and I like “leveling the playing field” for the audiences I serve — small business owners and more recently, aspiring and new management consultants.
For many years, I was reluctant to admit to either for fear of embarrassment.
Four years ago, I was giving a keynote speech at a conference hosted by Fortune magazine. The Chief Marketing Officer for Dell wasn’t able to give the keynote, and they asked me to step in as the keynote speaker.
The conference was geared towards mid-size companies — companies that are a lot more lucrative to serve as consulting clients (than small businesses) because they can afford higher fees.
I was explaining the work I do and more importantly the size (or lack thereof) of the clients I serve to another speaker. His response has stuck with me all these years.
“Victor, I get it. You have this stellar Fortune 500 background and you are willing to help the little guy and you aren’t even the slightest bit embarrassed by it. That’s so interesting,” (in reference to the lack of my embarrassment… which of course implied I SHOULD be embarrassed by it).
I was too surprised by the remark to be offended — but that’s what I was… offended.
Along similar lines, about two years ago, I was reading a message board post about me written by an anonymous user… you know how snarky and mean anonymous posters can get. I’ll never forget one criticism of me.
“If that Victor Cheng guy is so good, why in the hell would he be helping all of us get jobs. If he were really THAT good, he’d be CEO somewhere by now. He’s a loser.” (I edited out the 4-letter words that were used to describe me.)
Ouch!
I suppose at some level, it’s true. If I really were “good enough” to be a Fortune 500 CEO, I probably would not be writing this right now. But, you know, I’m okay with it.
You see, the real reason I work with “underdogs” is because I get great personal satisfaction from doing so.
Of all the emails I get, my favorite one was from a young undergrad from Brown University (I think it was Brown). She had just gotten double offers from McKinsey and BCG.
She was raised by a single mother who earns $25,000 USD (very close to the U.S. poverty line) — a mother who sacrificed enormously to be able to get her to Brown. The F1Y herself had worked hard and sacrificed for years to help create a better life for herself and for her mother.
As she explained, it was a HUGE deal for her (and her family) when she got two consulting job offers as a 21-year-old soon to be college graduate. Her first-year compensation?
$90,000 USD — nearly 4 TIMES what her mother earns in a year.
I was THRILLED for her.
I remember her closing lines were something like, “For years I wondered if all the work and hardship would ever pay off, thanks to your help, it did pay off. Thank you so much.”
It was one of the most meaningful emails I received in my life. Up until that time, I thought I was just helping people out with a tough job interview.
After I received that email, I realized that I had just helped to change someone’s life for the better. I never thought of it that way before. I’ve also never stopped thinking about it that way since that email.
THAT is why I do what I do.
In fact, not only am I not embarrassed by what I do and whom I do it for, I’m PROUD of helping others. It is the most psychologically rewarding work I’ve ever done in my life. And selfishly, it makes me happy.
So maybe if I were “better,” I would be a CEO by now.
Maybe if I wanted more money, I’d serve the big clients who have a lot of it.
Maybe if I did those things, I’d be more “successful” (by someone else’s definition).
But all of that just isn’t me. I realize and appreciate this about myself… enough to speak openly about it.
I love what I do and who I do it for.
By traditional standards, I’m probably the farthest I’ve ever been from being perfect and “successful” (I am not a gazillionaire, a CEO of a public company, nor do I manage 500 employees), but I do strive for excellence in my work every day, I’m successful by my own standard, and I’ve never been happier.
Success vs. Happiness…. and Excellence vs. Perfection
Give it some thought as it applies to your life.
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131 thoughts on “Striving for Excellence vs. Perfection”
Hi Victor
Phew! I wish I had read that earlier. There lies so much truth between the connection of these so easily to confuse terms of happiness/success/perfection/excellence. Everything easily said, but so difficult to embrace.
Being a former mgmt consultant from Germany, I now sit in my startup in Nairobi, finishing my Friday office beer after having just passed this lesson on to the team. It hit them hard and so elevating, especially given the local “never question the teacher or preacher” education. So thanks for inspiring not only me but 60 great Kenyan colleagues. Here’s to your purpose!
Thanks and please don’t stop doing this!
Clemens
p.s.
email me in case you’re interested in the deck.
Victor,
You’ve been a CEO for many people from what you’ve done to help others getting their dreams and better life.
And it’s a paradox : “The more you give, the more you get”
Thanks,
Sotarduga
Victor,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts so vulnerably. Everything you write really resonates with me.
With no business background, I used your case prep materials for the past few weeks, practiced with friends and felt reasonably prepared for my first-round interview yesterday with an MBB. (Thank you so much for making these resources available to everyone!) It was a great experience, but unfortunately, once I started doing my first case, I think nerves got the best of me and everything I learned pretty much went out the window – not to mention some silly computation mistakes.
It was very disappointing, and I realize the reason I keep replaying those mistakes in my head is not because I want to learn from them, and not even because I really wanted this job so much more than any other option: It’s simply because I’m a perfectionist. When I first got the interview invite 5 weeks ago, I was thrilled just to get an interview–somewhere along the line, something changed. I started imagining how great it would be to have my intelligence and potential validated: “If MBB says you’re good, you’re good! You must be worthwhile.” And I hate knowing that, even when I tried, I didn’t have the raw talent and sheer willpower to succeed at something I wanted.
Your article was really helpful to remind me that I’m only human. I make mistakes. And going way out of my comfort zone* for a case interview was already a step towards achieving excellence and being the best me I can be! Thank you for this much-needed reminder.
Sincerely,
Sarah
*FYI: I’m a liberal arts major from a semi-target school who’s been out of college (working) for 2 years. I applied ONLINE to an MBB with zero connections or referrals and got an interview, which my interviewer said he’s never seen happen before. The trick is to have great SAT scores, pretty good GPA and a convincing cover letter.
Sarah,
I’m glad you could acknowledge yourself in stepping outside your comfort zone. It is that uncomfortable place where w tend to grow the most – as long as we don’t beat ourselves up when the preferred outcome didn’t occur.
Also I think that your self assessment, even after being gentler on yourself after reading my article, is still a bit too harsh. You concluded that you didn’t have the raw talent and will power to succeed at something you wanted.
Based on what you described, I wouldn’t make the same conclusion you did. You said you were nervous and you made computational errors during the interview. That is extremely common as people learn how to do the case. Virtually everyone I know who got an offer eventually had to work through nerves and the stress of doing mental math with someone starting at you.
You did not mention if you had practiced with another live human being during your prep work. That is usually what I suggest to help get accustomed to the nervousness and doing mental math under pressure. My free case practice partner matching site http://www.CaseInterviewPartner.com can help you or others reading this find multiple people to practice with over Skype.
My assessment would be that you took a shot at some thing way outside your comfort zone, and that’s great. You prepared best you knew how to, but we’re much more nervous during the actual interview than you anticipated and didn’t do as well as a result. You didn’t get past that interview. Period.
In my opinion, the data on this “local” event does not support making any “global” conclusions about you, your character, your intellect, you level of talent, your will power.
You tried something new. You were nervous. You didn’t do as well because of the nervousness. End of story. Period.
In my opinion, the only reasonable conclusion to draw was you were nervous and you underestimated the likelihood that would occur, the magnitude of it when it did occur, and the impact that had on the outcome.
In other words, you got some feedback. That’s it.
It’s like going outside in the rain for the first time without an umbrella and getting sopping wet. Whoops, I didn’t realize that could happen. Now I do. No need to draw a negative conclusion about my character in the process.
In any case, I’m glad you found the reminder to be helpful. Also, I hope you didn’t mind my calling you out for some residual perfectionism that I noticed in your comment.
(My oldest daughter is overly harsh on herself — and I never let her get away with it. I call her out on it (a loving way) each… and… every… time.)
Perfectionists, and recovering perfectionist like us, tend to “over-conclude” – taking a micro “failure” and turn it into macro conclusion about self. If you are open to it, I suggest monitoring yourself in this regard.
Also, I’m teaching a web class on how to develop unshakeable self-esteem. You might find it interesting.
To be notified of opportunities to register, just fill out the form at the bottom of https://www.caseinterview.com/self-esteem
Best wishes in your journey to have more compassion for yourself. And thank you for sharing your story.
Victor
Hi Victor,
I wish the same thing as you (i.e., have a role model of 100% emotionally healthy person). Yes, I resonate you in terms of struggling with my emotional baggage.
I am a person who is difficult to accept my failure. I feel ashamed of them and sometimes it feels like I want to kill myself because of it.
Anyway, this article is the one that I always read everytime I fail (e.g. loose in a competition). I wish I can read more articles from you about how you overcome perfectionism. This trait is hurting me.
Thanks a lot for your powerful words in each of your article. It helps me to reinvent myself everytime I feel blue about my failures.
Hope I can be emotionally healthier later.
-Monic-
Monic,
I know the feeling of shame from failure all too well. It frankly really sucks.
I have evolved my own relationship with failure over the last few years. I pass along a few things that have worked well for me.
Instead of thinking I’m a loser for “failing”, I reframe the entire situation as one of me merely being human. I am not a loser. I am human. No more. No less.
One thing I’ve learned and have since taught my kids, is that “making mistakes is how we learn.”
My then 4 year old daughter is the keeper of this mantra in our household. We had a mouse running around the house after some repair work done on a dishwasher left a small crack open to the outside.
Since my kids love animals, I used a humane mouse trap to capture but not kill the mouse. It worked.
I showed my three daughters that caught mouse. My 4 year old promptly opened the door to the trap to see what happened. The mouse ran away to the other end of the house.
Her tw older sisters yelled at her and yelled somewhat in general. I could see the look of surprise on her face from the mouse running away, and hen the deep shame she felt from her sisters, in their super agitated state, coming down hard on her.
I immediately called for a family meeting to intervene. I reminded my older girls that we do not yell at someone or try to make them feel bad for making s mistake. I asked my 4 year old, did she have a hypothesis about what would happen if she opened the door to the mouse trap?
She nodded her head to signal yes.
I asked did your hypothesis turn out to be correct?
She shook her head from quickly side to side answer no.
I said, did you learn something?
She nodded her head up and down in agreement.
So I said, that’s good,
“Making mistakes is how we learn.”
It is okay. We all still love you, and I’m glad you learned something today.
Ever since then, whenever someone in the house makes a mistake (often it’s me), I always say…
“Making mistakes is how we __________”
And my four year old, who is now five years old, always blurts out “LEARN!”
It’s quite funny when I’m the one making the mistake and beating myself up for it, to hear her say, “Daddy. It’s okay. Making mistakes is how we learn.”
Another thing that’s been helpful to me is the concept of the failure bow. I’m taking a class in improvisational comedy. In the class, they teach a concept called the “failure bow”.
It comes from the circus, where if a circus performer falls off the tight rope and lands in the safety net, rather than shake his head and hold his head down low in shame, he instead bounces off the net a takes a big bow celebrating the “failure” . He owns that falling is a part of the process and because he is comfortable with it, so is the audience.
So in improv, when we make a mistake, we take a big bow and everybody in class cheers. Since improv is all spontaneous there is a failure literally every 5-10 minutes. There are colossal train wrecks of failure. There are pretty big embarrassments, and we all learn to embrace it and learn to re-associate failure with fun and laughter rather tha on shame an embarrassment.
Finally, I have found that it can be useful to intellectually think about where that feeling of shame comes from. Shame is taught. A new born infant feels no shame. If they did they would not cry at 1 am, 3 am, and 5 am in the morning!
An interesting question to explore is who taught you to feel shame about yourself? What purpose did it serve?
Often the answer to the first question is a care giver one had in early childhood – a parent, relative, teacher, coach, babysitter, older sibling. Then ask what was the purpose of that shame?
Often the purpose of shaming somebody is to benefit the person sending the shame, rather than the person receiving it.
Shame is a mechanism. It is taught. By whom and for what purpose, only you can answer that in your life. But I can say, it likely serves no useful purpose in your life today as an adult. It is okay to slowly let it go, and replace it with love, acceptance and compassion for yourself.
The antidote to shame is self acceptance. The key to self compassion is kindness to self. The key to love is acceptance, kindness and respect. The key to loving yourself is self acceptance, being mind to yourself, and being respectful to yourself.
If there are hurtful things you say to yourself about your failures that you would never dare say to someone else about their failures (because it is too cruel), then you are being more respectful, kindness and accepting of others than to yourself. All human beings (including both of us) deserve respect, kindness, and acceptance.
Finally, I would highly recommend watching Brene Browns two TED talks on shame and vulnerability. They are excellent. She also has a wonderful audio lecture series called The Power of Vulnerability. I’ve listened to all of that many times and have found it helpful.
Finally, I wanted to acknowledge the courage it took to share your experience and your feelings. I encourage you to find emotionally safe people with whom you can reveal your feelings of shame to (who won’t use your disclosures against you to hurt you, criticize you, shame you, belittle you, embarrass you, or humiliate you).
As Brene Brown says, shame does not like the light. It thrives in darkness and secrecy.
Don’t let your feelings of shame sit it darkness. It only makes it worse and can take you to even darker places.
Best Wishes,
Victor
Victor
Mr. Cheng,
A simple Google search this morning following a discussion with one of my employees lead me to your article, and now a recipient of e-mails from your site. For this, I thank you.
I had Googled looking for a word like “Perfectionist” only one meaning someone who sought excellence instead of perfection. Unfortunately, “Excellentist” still isn’t a word. Fortunately, I found your article instead which is now required reading for my entire staff.
I couldn’t agree with you more, nor did I understand how vastthe two concepts are. One thought that your writing inspired in me though: It is funny that Success and Perfection seam to be an ending destination on lifes path whether you reach it or not. But Happiness and Excellence have no end to be acheived. They reward you with more travel.
-Jesse
Hello Victor, your article was an interesting read. I want to ask your opinion on a matter. Try to imagine a teenager who has never wanted, lusted, or yearned for any material things i their life. Hard to believe I know but if this teenager knew how and was allowed to, this person would not mind living off the plains and rain forest. That is if he could find such a place that was not owned by anyone in today’s world.
So back to my original case, what would you say to this teenager that has no goals. What is he to do with his life? Are his/her parents to make arrangements for him/ her to become the next Tarzan? Or once the teen reaches 18 are the parents supposed to let him/her wander their home city/town homeless? Perhaps he does find a job lets say as a janitor, or at a cash registrar. Your saying as long as he/she strives to be the best at these jobs he/she will be happy? Perhaps this person does feel content with what they have accomplished thus far. Then all of a sudden because we are social creatures this person seeks companionship. Lets say he/she finds said companion. GOD willing eventually a family comes to the mind of this person but this person or spouse cant afford to have a family. So this person seeks a better job perhaps janitor manager, or store manager they have years of experience with their happy jobs that they should qualify hands down. But is this advancement considered striving for perfection. Is becoming such an excellent janitor or registrar (to be able to manage others) striving for perfection? Are they conforming to societies views?
I guess the point I am trying to make is that in today’s world it is very difficult, borderline impossible to not conform to societies views without living a life of constant struggle.
So at what salary is the line drawn between excellence and perfection?
How can one be happy by having nothing except the shoes on their feet, the breath in their lungs, the blood in their veins? Especially when the rest of the world continues to raise the minimum bar ever so higher.
I do not wish to offend you or anyone else I am simply looking for guidance.
thank you and any response is appreciated.
Aaron,
When a child comes of age (whether that is 18 years old or 21 or some other arbitrary age), parents should let their kids be full fledged adults — with the ability to make their own choices and live with the positive and negative consequences of their choices.
With respect to your many other questions, here are my views:
> what would you say to this teenager that has no goals. What is he to do with his life?
He should do whatever he (or she) wants to do with his life.
> Are his/her parents to make arrangements for him/ her to become the next Tarzan?
No, but the teenager may choose to do that for himself with his own resources (or lack thereof)
> Or once the teen reaches 18 are the parents supposed to let him/her wander their home city/town homeless?
I don’t know if 18 is the cut off, but at some age, yes, parents should let their ADULT children live their own lives with full consequences of their choices. I know of one family that refuses to let their originally teenage son suffer the consequences of his own choices. He is now 45 years old, still living at his parents home (been doing so for 10 years) rent free with a live in girl friend… and unemployed this entire time.
This is the 45 year old “teenager” living as he pleases at his parent’s expense. It’s not the fault of the “teenager” (okay it is), but the parents are enabling him by shielding him from the (potentially painful) consequences of his choices.
> Perhaps he does find a job lets say as a janitor, or at a cash registrar.
Great. Honorable work.
> Your saying as long as he/she strives to be the best at these jobs he/she will be happy?
No I am not saying that at all. I am saying if cleaning and interacting with customers makes this person happy and he strives to be as good as he can be at both, he will enjoy it.
Personally I would hate it because that is not what I enjoy doing.
The difference between excellence and perfection is this. With excellence you strive to be the best that YOU can be (reaching your maximum PERSONAL potential). With perfection you strive to achieve a literally impossible goal defined by someone else.
You can be a janitor that strives for excellence or perfection. You can be a cashier that strives for excellence or perfection.
You can be a heart surgeon that strives for excellence or perfection.
The distention between excellence and perfection makes no value judgment on any profession. It simple argues that HOW you pursue whatever profession you like matters to your personal satisfaction.
> Perhaps this person does feel content with what they have accomplished thus far.
Great, then there is no problem… thus far.
> Then all of a sudden because we are social creatures this person seeks companionship. Lets say he/she finds said companion. GOD willing eventually a family comes to the mind of this person but this person or spouse cant afford to have a family. So this person seeks a better job perhaps janitor manager, or store manager they have years of experience with their happy jobs that they should qualify hands down. But is this advancement considered striving for perfection?
Not at all. People change over time. What people want changes over time. It is a personal CHOICE that can be made regardless of whether one is striving for excellence or perfection.
If you CHOOSE to be a janitor manager, do you choose to be the best you can be at it or do you choose to attempt t be perfect at it. In the former, if you do the job to the best of your ability you should be pleased with yourself. You achieved excellence. If you adopt the perfectionist mindset, you will only be happy when you do the job perfectly… which means logically you will never be happy because perfection is impossible unless you are a deity.
> Is becoming such an excellent janitor or registrar (to be able to manage others) striving for perfection?
No. The decision to strive for excellence vs perfection is a choice made WITHIN oneself. When chooses perfection, one shifts the standard that one judges oneself by to an external source — ensuring your happiness depends on people and things you do not control or influence.
> Are they conforming to societies views?
It depends on if the choice they made was a personal one, or one they made solely because society told them to. Two people can make the exact same choice — one for intrinsic reason and one for extrinsic. You can’t tell if a person was internally motivated or externally motivated (by society) solely by the choice they made.
>I guess the point I am trying to make is that in today’s world it is very difficult, borderline impossible to not conform to societies views without living a life of constant struggle.
I totally disagree. Society’s view of anything is by definition the view of the majority. Whatever the majority view is, that view is mathematically speaking the average view.
Most of my clients reject society’s views on many aspects of their lives. It is precisely because they reject society’s way of doing things that they are so successful and happy with what they are doing.
Again, it is not the specific decision that is relevant here. It is the MOTIVATION behind the decision that is key.
I went into management consulting originally because I truly thought it was the amazing profession for me at that stage of my life. To solve business problems all day long, to learn tons about an area of passion of mine, AND to be paid well for it was just amazing to me.
I know a great many people who have gone into management consulting because they thought they were “supposed to”. They were miserable and eventually left. Many years later, they found what they loved to do, did it well. And interestingly most of the people I have in mind who fit this description were former female colleagues of mine. Most of them are now university professors with full tenure — some quite well known in their fields.
> So at what salary is the line drawn between excellence and perfection?
Salary is irrelevant to the distinction between excellence and perfection. I think you are conflating the “excellence vs perfection” concept with “traditional vs non-traditional” career paths. They are separate issues.
Your question doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like asking what is the salary line between an Olympic athlete that strives to perform at the absolute best they body is capable of performing and being happy with whatever medal (or non-medal) they obtain as a result vs one that considers anything short of gold a failure.
What is the salary cut off point difference between these two types of people? The question doesn’t seem relevant to me because salary doesn’t enter into the equation at all.
> How can one be happy by having nothing except the shoes on their feet, the breath in their lungs, the blood in their veins?
How could one NOT be happy with nothing but the shoes on their feet, breath in their longs and blood in their veins. Some of my happiest moments are when I am walking in the woods or on a mountain top with nothing but the shoes on my feet, the breath in my lungs and the blood in my veins.
> Especially when the rest of the world continues to raise the minimum bar ever so higher.
Who cares what the rest of the world is doing? Minimum bar for what?
Much of happiness comes from the ability to appreciate and be grateful for what you have in your life. If you can not feel gratitude for what you have in your life, I guarantee that when you have 5 times more in your life, you won’t feel any happier.
Success = Getting What you Want
Happiness = Appreciating What You Have
The two are independent. Happiness does not depend on achievement. It depends on appreciation.
-Victor
I have my final round MBB interview coming up this week, and I don’t think I’ve smiled for 4 days. I’m smiling now.
Thanks, Victor. Your candidness is inspirational.
Greg,
I’m so glad.
Thanks,
Victor
A very enlightening read…and incredibly helpful to me. Thank you.
Sir,
Perhaps oldest Hindu scripture UPNISHAD declares,” MANA EVA MANUSHYANAM KARNAM BONDH MOKXHYAH” means Mind is the only cause for slavery or freedom of human being. Your choice of your life and happiness lies in renouncing the constant thought waves of fear and greed and embracing the path of selfless services by improving others lives and striving to live in eternal bliss. Never get your cherished choice corrupted or compromised. Long live your Choice.
With tons of regards,
Mohan Murari Jha.
Victor
I read your blog a few times and have always found your comments insightful. However, I have more respect for you now after reading this article. Thanks for sharing your life’s lessons about happiness vs perfection. I’m going to teach my kids the same thing. Be comfortable with yourself, with occasional failures and strive for excellence but not perfection.